<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395</id><updated>2011-10-10T07:32:08.818-07:00</updated><category term='ethics'/><category term='simplicity'/><category term='education'/><category term='colonial New England'/><category term='testimonies'/><category term='bible'/><category term='labor unions'/><category term='ministry'/><category term='peace'/><category term='orthodoxy'/><category term='community'/><category term='music'/><category term='scripture'/><category term='communication'/><category term='art'/><category term='spirituality'/><category term='decisions'/><category term='introverts'/><category term='conflict'/><category term='truth'/><category term='witness'/><category term='dialogue'/><category term='meeting for business'/><category term='nonviolence'/><category term='schools'/><category term='pacifism'/><category term='worship'/><category term='history'/><category term='discernment'/><category term='lies'/><category term='integrity'/><category term='heretics'/><category term='outreach'/><category term='quakers'/><category term='Books'/><category term='friends'/><category term='morality'/><title type='text'>QQQQandA</title><subtitle type='html'>About this blog: These are responses to questions sent to the Quaker Information Center that we have pondered about. 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We welcome your comments on our responses.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>17</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-4151518505211170241</id><published>2011-06-28T12:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-20T11:21:42.960-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Books'/><title type='text'>A Few Books Worthy of Praise</title><content type='html'>sajkhsAJKDlhi sjkashdkajsh&amp;nbsp; asjdhkjsaHALSJ AJDHKJASL &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.quakerbooks.org/rss/rssFeeder.php?q=QBKAP-50"&gt;http://www.quakerbooks.org/rss/rssFeeder.php?q=QBKAP-50&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-4151518505211170241?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.quakerbooks.org/guide/30' title='A Few Books Worthy of Praise'/><link rel='enclosure' type='' href='http://www.quakerbooks.org/rss/rssFeeder.php?q=QBKAP-50' length='0'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/4151518505211170241/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2011/06/few-books-worthy-of-praise.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4151518505211170241'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4151518505211170241'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2011/06/few-books-worthy-of-praise.html' title='A Few Books Worthy of Praise'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-923655957983160279</id><published>2010-05-07T11:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-07T11:45:32.341-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Quakers, Conscience, and (Incidentally?) Salvation</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="right" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S-Rc6uPcN7I/AAAAAAAAADE/fEFeV5MkUHo/s1600/logo1.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; cssfloat: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S-Rc6uPcN7I/AAAAAAAAADE/fEFeV5MkUHo/s320/logo1.gif" tt="true" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0b5394; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&amp;nbsp;/ A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;This topic develops from questions that I was asked earlier this week, but it evolved in a roundabout way. A law student came in to interview me about conflict between church and state. Initially, she wanted to know the history of how Friends developed and defended our practice of non-officiated weddings. But that led to same-sex marriage, to questions about how we address differences between individual callings and how we think about the individual conscience, and finally to war tax concerns.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I ended up digging out papers from a 1989 court case in which the U.S. Justice Department brought suit against Philadelphia Yearly Meeting for not complying with levies against the wages of two Quaker employees who were war tax refusers. One of the challenges PYM had to answer was: why did the yearly meeting feel compelled to support the religious conscience of two particular staff members when the rest of the Quaker staff were not making the same witness?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Sam Caldwell, then the General Secretary of PYM, wrote a response that fascinated me, since I think it is the first time I ever read a definition of “salvation” from the perspective of Liberal Quakers. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;God gives to every human being who comes into the world a measure of the Spirit through which divine guidance is inwardly received and the conscience enlightened. Every human being has direct access . . . to divine inspiration and guidance for living in accordance with God’s will. Those who discern and heed the promptings of this Inner Light in their daily lives are “saved”—that is, they come into fullness and wholeness of life and right relationship with God and one another. Those who resist, ignore, or disobey this Inner Light, even if they profess religion, are “damned”—that is, doomed to unhappiness and alienation from God, from themselves, and from one another.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Sam goes on to argue that it is the responsibility of the Friends community to support a member who is following the divinely-inspired conscience. “To withdraw such support, for any reason, would directly violate one of our most religious principles: the sanctity of obedience to the inner guidance of the Spirit as revealed in the individual conscience.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;It's important to note here that Friends have always been careful to make a distinction between the workaday conscience, and divine guidance. Early Friends were alert to a difference between the “natural conscience” (which comes from nature, from the judgment that we develop through living our lives in the world) and the conscience when it is a vehicle for divine guidance. They considered that our natural consciences, while generally good, may be flawed or poorly developed, but God can work through our consciences to guide us unerringly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I have pondered these matters for the past several days. Do I really believe these statements? Do I live accordingly? It’s a little embarrassing to focus on the stark topic of “conscience” – it seems so Third Grade Sunday School class. But at the same time, it’s so basic because . . . well, it’s so basic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;So, I fall back on good old Quaker advice: when in doubt, wait and pay attention. These two practices are precursors to being able to say, with George Fox, “This I know experimentally.” One of our ways of paying attention is through queries. (For the uninitiated, queries are questions that Quakers sit with in worshipful attentiveness.) Here are a few queries I offer myself, and anyone else who wants them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Queries on Conscience&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Individual: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;• Am I sensible of the urgings of my conscience? Am I responsive to them?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;• Do I strive to discern the difference between my own judgment and the promptings of the Light?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;• How do I test what I perceive to be leadings of the Light?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; [Note: whole books have been written in response to this question. See, for example, J. Brent Bill's &lt;em&gt;Sacred Compass&lt;/em&gt;.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Corporate: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;• In our meeting communities, are we sensitive to each other’s consciences? Do we encourage each other to express prickings or promptings that come from the conscience? Do we both nurture and challenge each other in the discernment of the Light, as revealed through conscience?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;• Do we take responsibility, as a community, for supporting our members when they are tried by their consciences or called into difficult expressions of faith?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-923655957983160279?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.quakerinfo.org' title='Quakers, Conscience, and (Incidentally?) 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Salvation'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S-Rc6uPcN7I/AAAAAAAAADE/fEFeV5MkUHo/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>29</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-4171978364861314948</id><published>2010-03-22T08:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-03-22T08:51:35.908-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history'/><title type='text'>Odd Questions about Quakers</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S6eOaM6_hZI/AAAAAAAAAC0/vJoOJ2jDWIg/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5451482454751675794" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S6eOaM6_hZI/AAAAAAAAAC0/vJoOJ2jDWIg/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Very soon, the Quaker Information Center webpage and the responsibility of responding to emails will be transferred from our office in Philadelphia to the Earlham School of Religion in Richmond, Indiana. In preparation, I have been going through old emails, culling classic examples to send them. Below are a few of the more strange or amusing questions I have received over the past six years.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are using cutting oil QUAKER ALU 3853 for our machining. We are buying from your Poona local representative ‘Techno Tooling.” . . . Our order is 1 Barrel and your local auth dealer is supplying in 20 LIT can. What the meaning of this? . . . Expecting a good business relationship always. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#9999ff;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I am sorry, I cannot help you. The Quaker Information Center provides information about the Quaker religion. We have nothing to do with products that carry the name Quaker, no more than Saturn automobiles come from the planet Saturn. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I believe you may be thinking of Quaker State Motor Oil, a company that is owned by Pennzoil. Try contacting them at &lt;a href="http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/international/default.asp"&gt;www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/international/default.asp&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Q2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#9999ff;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;My friend suggested to me that Quakers do not procreate, but rather obtain all members via conversion. . . . I told her she was crazy and misguided, she insisted she was not crazy. She is crazy, right? You know how Catholics can be. Christian Reformed here. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I assure you, Quakers do indeed procreate. (One of our songsters has a humorous ballad called “Making Quakers from Scratch.”) I think your Friend has us confused with the Shakers, a religious sect that started in England and came to North America. Shakers lived in communities that practiced celibacy and took in orphans. There is a very minor connection between the two groups. The Shakers had been a small group in Manchester started by a couple named Wardley, two former Quakers. Ann Lee--who had no Quaker connections—joined the group and eventually became its leader and introduced many changes, including the part about not procreating. I don’t think your friend is crazy, just misinformed. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Q3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My friend heard on the Philadelphia Duck bus/boat tour that there is no First Street in Philadelphia because our Quaker fore-parents, in naming streets, decided that no earthly location should be set above God and called “First,” so they named it “Front Street.” Do you know if this is true or is it a Quaker urban legend? People are being told this everyday in the tour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#9999ff;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Quaker urban legend indeed! “Front Street” is a commonly used term in many American cities for the street that faces a water front. The next street is second street, and so forth. There is nothing “Quakerish” or unique to Philadelphia history in this naming of our streets. I once spent a couple hours dissuading a BBC reporter who had participated in a local tour from including this little bit of local color in her story about Philadelphia Quakers. I cannot figure out why visitors are unable to remember the difference between William Penn and Benjamin Franklin, or forget the difference between Quakers and Pennsylvania Dutch, but relentlessly remember this bit of nonsense!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do the Quaker’s still own Quaker Oats? If the Quaker’s no longer own Quaker Oats, do they still represent Quaker Oats? Are Quaker’s the inventor of the Oatmeal cookie recipe? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quakers do not and have never owned the Quaker Oats Company. “Quaker” is simply their brand name (like “Eskimo Pie,” which I do not believe was ever owned by Yupik, Inuit, or Aleut people). . . . . I do not know who first made oatmeal cookies. However I have read that the process for making rolled oats was developed by a Quaker woman in the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is a Quaker spook chaser? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#9999ff;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You’ve got me. According to the writer, this was the description applied to a noisemaker sold in an antique shop. I hope it isn’t what it sounds like!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do I get my Quakers to mate? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Ref Q2 above.) Dinner and soft music weren’t effective? Then I am going to assume this question refers to the breed of parrots known as “Quakers.” Try this other Quaker Information Center: &lt;a href="http://www.quakerville.com/qic/q_links.asp"&gt;http://www.quakerville.com/qic/q_links.asp&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What age are Quaker girls when they get their bonnets? Do Quakers commemorate the occasion with a special ceremony? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m all out of answers. I hope somebody else will take this one. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-4171978364861314948?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/4171978364861314948/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/03/odd-questions-about-quakers.html#comment-form' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4171978364861314948'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4171978364861314948'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/03/odd-questions-about-quakers.html' title='Odd Questions about Quakers'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S6eOaM6_hZI/AAAAAAAAAC0/vJoOJ2jDWIg/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-3089942155996473164</id><published>2010-02-05T13:37:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-05T13:49:26.279-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='witness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conflict'/><title type='text'>Help -- We Are the Target!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S2yQgWidn5I/AAAAAAAAACs/TJvtKhekxho/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5434877735809687442" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S2yQgWidn5I/AAAAAAAAACs/TJvtKhekxho/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;[The situation described below is real and recent. The name of the meeting has been changed out of cautiousness. ]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dear George Lakey,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Please advise us! Friends at Rivertown Meeting have scheduled a 10-week course on Islam, to be taught by an Islamic scholar. We advertised it to the public, hoping it would create openings for better understanding in our community. About 70 have people signed up. But now we are targeted by a “tea party” group that is recruiting to get a large group of demonstrators outside our meeting house as well as people to come inside and confront the teacher. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;We asked the yearly meeting to help organize a “Friendly presence” group of trained peacekeepers to help us manage the situation, but we found out they don’t do that anymore. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;What do you suggest?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Clerk of peace and concerns committee, Rivertown Meeting&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dear Friend,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way to look at disruption is to see it as an opportunity. That was pretty much the attitude of early Friends, who seemed to think that if there wasn't turbulence around what they were doing, they must not be doing something of consequence. It was also the attitude of Martin Luther King and his colleagues. So congratulations!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you and other Rivertown Friends do manage to view this as an opportunity, you'll see a lot of positive possibilities. One that see even from this distance is to shift the dialogue about Islam from a small bubble of the already-convinced ("the choir," as we used to say in church when the preacher was "preaching to the choir"), to a dialogue that influences far more citizens of the area including those who initially wouldn't choose to be in the choir.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way that the disrupters may be doing you a favor is that they are a fringe who are acting out what is really the mainstream feeling: "We don't really want to learn more about Islam."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is similar to the favor the KKK did in the deep South by acting out the mainstream white attitudes toward black people, and thereby raising the question for those mainstream white people: are we really as unwilling to re-consider our racism as the KKK folks are?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The politics of our country can't really shift regarding Islamophobia until there is much, much more attention paid to it, and the Tea Party people are apparently willing to give that gift to the body politic. Just as the nonviolent civil rights movement turned the KKK's acting out to their advantage, by responding nonviolently and assertively, so also Friends can thank the Tea Party folks for opening up attention to these issues in a vital and exciting way that can move the Rivertown-area people who have been avoiding the set of issues involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The important thing is not to imagine that this is all about you, or all about the Tea Party people, or the combination of you two parties.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Naturally it is partly about you (the opportunity you get to strengthen yourselves spiritually and build your capacity for courage, for example), and it is partly about the Tea Party people (the opportunity for them to express themselves as fairly marginalized people in the broader society). But sometimes the biggest opportunity is for the Rivertown-area people more in the middle of the spectrum, the people who perhaps would rather not confront the realities either of what Friends assert or what the right wing asserts, but just duck the whole thing if they can.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, as you map out your strategy it pays to bear in mind a picture of the Rivertown-area population as a spectrum. You are on one extreme of the spectrum. On the other extreme are the Tea Party folks. 90% or more of the people of the area are ranged in a spectrum between the extremes, but to differing degrees leaning toward you or leaning toward the right, with some folks (maybe most) in the middle, on the fence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our job strategically in working for change and transformation is always to influence, if we can, the various parts of this spectrum. Usually the challenge is to get various parts of the spectrum enaged in our issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks to the Tea Party folks, this should be much easier this time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A nice thing about the Friendly Presence as I experienced it was that it didn't intimidate the extremists, so they could still act out enough to generate drama and stimulate forces for change. The Friendly Presence built a supportive container, but didn't shut down the extremists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was in the best tradition of early Friends, who often called themselves "Friends of Truth." (It's the truth about our society that will set us free, not pretending that our society is about politeness and civility.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So -- well done in becoming a target, and good luck in making the most of it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;George Lakey&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-3089942155996473164?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/3089942155996473164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/02/help-we-are-target.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/3089942155996473164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/3089942155996473164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/02/help-we-are-target.html' title='Help -- We Are the Target!'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S2yQgWidn5I/AAAAAAAAACs/TJvtKhekxho/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-4004742160241510856</id><published>2010-01-19T10:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-19T10:45:35.228-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dialogue'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='communication'/><title type='text'>Responding to Accusations</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S1X56q092vI/AAAAAAAAACc/2Fadvdn1ZzU/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5428519712189176562" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S1X56q092vI/AAAAAAAAACc/2Fadvdn1ZzU/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I have been an "unprogrammed" Quaker since 1959, having attended the Quaker church in Whittier, CA. Since I moved away from Whittier, I have never lived near a Quaker meeting place so haven't been able to attend meetings, but I have always tried to practice the Quaker beliefs in my own private way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things I have always run into is accusations that I am not patriotic. In my heart, I feel I am extremely patriotic - I love my country and the freedoms we have. However, since I have always been very much against war and the military in general (and the horrible harm they do to our young people in the name of patriotism), I am viewed with disdain by veterans and those who have served in the military. Because of this I am somewhat reluctant to express my views in public and feel I don't really have a good rebuttal answer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would really appreciate your discussing this problem in the blog as I feel it is undoubtedly a problem many Quakers are or have experienced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;This is a really tough challenge. Here is what I’ve learned from my own experiences and from observing others – I hope some of it will be helpful to you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When someone accuses me of something like not loving my country, my first reaction is to want to show them they are wrong. And the tools I instinctively turn to are the tools of argument – facts, logic, and other forms of persuasion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It almost never works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, when I respond by using argument to try to prove that I’m right and my accuser is wrong, usually, by the time the exchange is over, I go away feeling more resentful, more defensive, more critical of the other person than before I responded at all. And I’m pretty sure that my arguments in those instances have hardly ever changed anyone’s mind – maybe occasionally they planted a seed that sprouted later, but I doubt that happens often.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So one thing I have had to learn to do is give up the goal of “winning” on the playing field of right vs. wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, I’ve learned to focus on the fundamental question: how do I maintain my own confidence, my own comfort with my beliefs, in the face of criticism or ridicule? I need to trust the foundation that they are built upon. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I ask you, &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; do you believe in peace? Is it because you accept the authority of the teachings of Jesus who said “resist not evil”? Is it because in the depths of your spirit you have “come to live in the virtue of that life and power that takes away the occasion of all war”? Is it because all life is too sacred to you to be able to conceive any reason that would justify violence? Whatever your foundation, &lt;em&gt;know it&lt;/em&gt;. Plant your center of gravity in that spot. And be assured that this is the truth as you have encountered it, regardless of what anyone else may say to you. You do not need to defend it with data, clever words, or sharp analysis. It is already true in a way that cannot easily be damaged or strengthened by disagreements with others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you are rooted in your strongest, truest understanding, you need not be rigid. Rigidity is a refusal to allow any space for doubt. But it may be that an experience you have or someone’s comment will cause you to question some aspect of your understanding. Doubt is an opportunity to dig a deeper foundation by testing that understanding, by knowing it better, perhaps by refining it. So if someone challenges you in a manner that raises questions for you, you are free to say, “Gee, I haven’t looked at it that way before. I’m not convinced, but I will give some thought to what you say.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you are not personally threatened by someone’s accusation, you are able to respond nondefensively, even generously. What value do you have in common with the person who is accusing you? Can you understand it as a bond between you? Do you both love your country? Then speak to that common bond? For example, “Oh, I do love my country. I am always asking myself how to be a better American. The best answer I have found so far is that I can support my country best by encouraging it to make peace in the world.” Or, “I’m proud of how many young men and women are making sacrifices in their lives to be of service. I really don’t want those sacrifices to be wasted – I want them to help build up the good in the world rather than risk their lives in acts of destruction.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes there will be such a huge difference between your assumptions and the other person’s that the thing to do is acknowledge it and honor it. Let the person know that you get what they are saying (if you do). For example, “So you say that you believe it is naïve to try to make peace with the people in Iran? You think we will be in peril if we do that?” Then hear the person out. Then offer up your commonalities: “I want us to be secure, too. I want American children to grow up in safety, and I also want the Iranian children to grow up in safety. I can see why you disagree, but I still believe that cooperation, not force, is what will keep us safe.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Identify your own, personal indications for success in such a conversation. For me, success is not “winning” the argument, or even convincing the other person that my beliefs are a legitimate alternative to their own. I feel successful when I witness to my belief in peace through a conversation that is itself truthful and peaceful. I remind myself to try to speak in the spirit of someone giving a gift to a beloved friend who deserves that gift, as I deserve the joy of giving it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, having said all of this, I need to confess that quite often it is easier for me to describe such exchanges than to participate in them with all of the calm confidence and loving generosity I have described. Sometimes I do feel my defensiveness flare up. I realize that I am going through the motions outwardly, but in a less than wholehearted way that later will leave me fuming, thinking up the harsh arguments I could have made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it takes a strong spiritual grounding to be able to do well what I have just described. It also takes practice. I have seen other people, who are both grounded and practiced, respond to such accusations amazingly well. If their accusers do not change their minds, at least they leave the conversation with mutual respect. One of these individuals is Marshall Rosenberg (&lt;a href="http://www.cnvc.org/"&gt;www.cnvc.org/&lt;/a&gt;) who offers workshops in “nonviolent communication.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am going to invite others, whose abilities in this area I have witnessed and admired, if they will post tips, or different kinds of advice to you. I hope other readers will leave comments about their experiences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace,&lt;br /&gt;Chel Avery &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-4004742160241510856?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/4004742160241510856/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/01/responding-to-accusations.html#comment-form' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4004742160241510856'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4004742160241510856'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2010/01/responding-to-accusations.html' title='Responding to Accusations'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/S1X56q092vI/AAAAAAAAACc/2Fadvdn1ZzU/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-4143955424400394028</id><published>2009-12-29T09:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-29T09:51:32.383-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='introverts'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='testimonies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Quakers Under the Microscope -- Participant-Observer Report No. 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Szo_kxC6gnI/AAAAAAAAACU/OK3zH5zXS68/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5420715002367214194" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Szo_kxC6gnI/AAAAAAAAACU/OK3zH5zXS68/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#9999ff;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;So I’ve heard that Quakers tend to be introverts who are not very outgoing with non-Quakers. How has that affected you as a non-Quaker extravert working with Friends?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;color:#000099;"&gt;Authors Note: This is the 2nd part of my series of working with Quakers. In this entry, I’ll attempt to describe some of my perceptions and misperceptions of Quaker beliefs. Also, I will attempt to describe an outsider’s perspective of the correct Quaker beliefs. -- Matt Bernot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Well, I too have heard stories about Quakers not being the most extraverted group on the planet, but to say they are not social would be, in my opinion, incorrect. A good part of this perception of Quakers comes from, in my personal belief, the fact that because Quakers do not actively try to convert or recruit new members they must be anti-social. I have found that Quakers are more passive and can be quite social if one takes the time to approach them first. Many Friends are quite friendly when approached. Another aspect of Quakers that may fuel the belief that Quakers are not social comes directly from the Quaker belief system. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The Quaker belief system is unlike most other religions. I will attempt to explain it in the best terms I can as a non-Quaker. I realize that I probably will not grasp the full concept of Friends beliefs, but I will make my best attempt and I invite our Friends to leave comments referring to whether or not they agree with what I say here.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;For one, unlike most other religions Quakers do not have a set creed. Rather Quakers follow a set of Testimonies. There are many values found in the Testimonies. The role of these values, Simplicity, Peace, Integrity, Community, Equality, and Stewardship (SPICES) are neither a creed nor commandments. Rather some Friends consider these values to be the guiding principles in decision making, while other Friends say that good decision making leads to these values being the product of a good decision. This argument reminds me of a favorite debate of the world today, which came first, the chicken or the egg. I would assume that if you asked ten different Friends about the role of the SPICES acronym, the ten Friends would give ten unique answers. Needless to say, this can be a bit off-putting to someone who is used to religions that have creeds and therefore the beliefs are set in stone. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Quaker beliefs come from within and it is, to an extent, up to each individual Friend to determine what is meant by the different teachings and what the correct course of action is in a given situation. When I first started working with Quakers, this unique way of thinking was surprising but also refreshing. It has challenged many of my own views and allowed me to think of things in a whole new way. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;At first, I found it quite hard to understand how anyone could be a part of a religion that did not have a set creed or set beliefs. I also found it hard to see how a religion without few, if any, outward rituals could bring people closer together. However, after seeing Friends interact with each other, I realized soon after, that I was quite wrong. While outward rituals do seem to give the impression of bringing people together, I have come to see that the inner bond that Quakers have from their meetings runs far deeper than the outer bond that Catholics have from Mass. [Author’s Note: I was born and raised Catholic, but now fall under the category of lapsed Catholic.] In my own opinion, this inner bond that Quakers share and develop through silent, unprogrammed worship creates a bond between Friends that is far deeper than any bond created by participation in a ritual. One thing I think that causes this is the fact that all Quakers are equal since there is no minister or pastor that leads worship. This equality allows Friends to develop a spiritual bond that I have never observed before. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Now, from my time here, I have been able to correct my misperceptions of Quakers, which I am sure are shared by many other non-Friends. This experience so far has been enlightening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matt Bernot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-4143955424400394028?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/4143955424400394028/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/12/quakers-under-microscope-participant.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4143955424400394028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/4143955424400394028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/12/quakers-under-microscope-participant.html' title='Quakers Under the Microscope -- Participant-Observer Report No. 2'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Szo_kxC6gnI/AAAAAAAAACU/OK3zH5zXS68/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-6430416818795169938</id><published>2009-12-03T12:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-03T13:21:03.832-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Equality, Honorifics, and Consistency among Friends</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SxgmAaLjYeI/AAAAAAAAACM/9TBbJRWcUdw/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5411116740755284450" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SxgmAaLjYeI/AAAAAAAAACM/9TBbJRWcUdw/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Forwarded to QIC by Friends General Conference]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I am interested in participating in and finding out more about the Friends. I understand that the history of Friends is not to 'hat tip' —use honorary titles, for example. . . . I was concerned that the Friends religion may not be consistent with past spiritual and logical beliefs. [A Quaker publication’s] article on the physician, Marjorie Nelson, referred to her as Dr. Nelson. . . . "Your honor, Father, Mother Superior, Your Holiness " all show lack of respect for our fundamental, equal condition. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;If Friends feel that verbal expressions of inequality are now acceptable as a form of acceptance or acquiescence to social norms, it seems that something dear has been lost. . . . Do you have any ideas where I can find a church that truly believes in the equal nature of humans?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;RC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear RC,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Friends General Conference has forwarded your message to me at the Quaker Information Center for a response. The concern you raise is one that Friends discuss among ourselves and has been a lively topic on Quaker list serves several times in recent years, so there is much to be said about our thinking on the use of honorifics, both historically and today. I am going to write a long response, including some of my own thoughts, but the first couple paragraphs will be a “short answer” to your question as you presented it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That short answer is that if you are looking for a religion whose members exhibit full behavioral consistency, you are going to be disappointed with modern day Friends. We stress the value of individual conscience and we try to encourage members to be true to the Holy Spirit as they are guided by it. As a result, our witnesses vary from person to person, and we have many inconsistencies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You asked about help finding a church that “truly believes in the equal nature of humans.” I believe that Friends come as close to being such a religion as you can find, but we are always learning, reconsidering, and evolving our practices. If we had it right from the beginning, there would never have been any Quaker slaveholders, and we cannot say which of our current practices might be considered deplorable in the light of future understandings. Thus, many Friends consider that spiritual exploration, that persistent testing of our practices, to be more important than a specific code of behavior that everyone adheres to in a uniform way. If there is a faith tradition that would be more satisfactory to you, I am not familiar with it. Perhaps you may find what you seek in a political group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OK, here is a longer response, on the matter of recognitions of social status.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A common misperception—one held by many Friends— is that the original meaning of the “hat testimony,” and other such practices that withheld recognition of status difference between social classes, was an expression of Friends’ belief in equality. “Equality” as a principle was not much on the radar screens of early Friends. They believed in every person’s capacity to be enlivened by the spirit of God, they believed everyone had a soul (even women and non-whites, to the shock of many other Christians), and they valued the importance of honoring the sacred potential within every person. A number of Friends had been “Levellers,” a movement that sought to do away with differences in political power in England. So the seeds were there, but Friends were not yet thinking in the same terms that we now count as our “testimony of equality.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Friends believed in truth. They also believed in humility as a quality necessary to be at one with the Divine Spirit. So social customs that contained flattery were objectionable to Friends because they were insincere. (Sometimes they were explicitly untruthful, such as calling a single person of high status by the then-plural term, “you.”) These customs were also seen as harmful, because to flatter someone would encourage vanity, not a healthy thing for their souls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Modern Friends are more likely to interpret these customs of language and manners as expressions of our belief in equality, a testimony that is dear to us today. I have heard modern Friends wrestling very sincerely with the role of these traditions in their lives here and now. Some Friends feel these old customs are still meaningful and bear witness to them meticulously. Others feel that in our present society these oddities of speech are pretentious and legalistic and set us apart from other people rather than helping us forge connections. Some may argue that since equality is recognized (at least given lip service) as a social value in our culture today (as it was not in seventeenth century England), that point does not need to be made, and why alienate our potential allies with what they may experience as rudeness? They argue that if we care about equality, we should be putting our energy toward things like more just immigration laws or quality education in poor communities, rather than posturing over semantics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For myself, situation has a lot to do with it. I don’t know what you think about situational ethics, but I find that in different contexts, the meaning of the words I use seems to change. Following are some ways I have wrestled with these matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A rigorous adherence to honorific-free speech would be never to use any titles at all, even “Mr.” or “Ms.” Traditionally Quakers called other people by both their first and last names, unless they were on a first name basis. This is a practice I mostly follow myself, but there are times when it does not seem right. For example, it feels different when I deny the prefix to a person whose rank is generally considered to be higher than my own than when I withhold it from a person over whom I have some kind of privilege or power. One instance involves elderly people in nursing homes, who are often infantilized by their situations and the treatment they receive. To call a resident in that context “Mr.” or “Mrs.,” in my experience, helps to equalize our status and preserve their dignity, rather than maintaining my “one-up” position as a person with mobility and resources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no difficulty naming a person by his or her function. I am happy to call a judge “Judge,” although I would not say “Your Honor.” But sometimes the distinctions get fuzzy. I do copyediting for a Quaker organization. Our publications style guide says not to use honorifics. But that is easier in some instances than in others. When you write “Francis of Assissi” people make the connection to someone they know as “St. Francis.” “Mohandes Gandhi” is recognizable as the person many know as “Mahatma” Gandhi. But when a recent writer referred to Meister Eckhard, we faced a dilemma. His first name is so little used that historians disagree about what it actually was, and had that been resolved, how many readers would have recognized who “Johannes Eckhard” was? I honestly can’t remember what we decided, but the argument that our first responsibility was to our readers and that we owed them the respect of not confusing them was—we thought—a legitimate point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Friends understand our traditional practices to have arisen because in their worship, early Friends experienced a condition of unity with the Divine Spirit. When they noticed that outward practices in their lives disrupted or were inharmonious with that inward condition, they changed the outward practices until they found them to be more consistent with their desired inward state. These practices are meaningful to us today only as long as we find that they still serve to keep us connected to the Spirit, in right relationship with God, ourselves, and one another. And if we are paying attention, if we are practicing our faith at its best, then we will continue to seek ways of living that preserve the unity of our outward and inward lives, whether those ways are a continuation of or a change in tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you decide that Friends still have a part to play in your search for a spiritual home, and if I can be of any further assistance to you, please contact me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chel Avery&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-6430416818795169938?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/6430416818795169938/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/12/equality-honorifics-and-consistency.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/6430416818795169938'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/6430416818795169938'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/12/equality-honorifics-and-consistency.html' title='Equality, Honorifics, and Consistency among Friends'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SxgmAaLjYeI/AAAAAAAAACM/9TBbJRWcUdw/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-5091545240715332369</id><published>2009-11-11T12:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-11T13:11:16.949-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodoxy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ministry'/><title type='text'>"Spontaneous Worship" and the Problem of Orthodoxy</title><content type='html'>&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 244px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 103px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5402947384079931266" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SvsgBRA114I/AAAAAAAAACE/DkdvWgaf45Q/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I'm a graduate student&lt;br /&gt;from the U.K. studying&lt;br /&gt;'spontaneity in worship',&lt;br /&gt;and I have some&lt;br /&gt;questions about&lt;br /&gt;Quakerism. . . . During your meetings I am aware that anyone who feels the Holy Spirit prompting them can speak. I wonder, how can Orthodoxy be maintained? Do situations arise where sentiments expressed are clearly not in line with, for example, biblical teaching? How is this dealt with, and are there leaders who have some sort of steering capacity?&lt;br /&gt;NL&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear NL,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two levels at which I can respond to your question about "spontaneity in worship." One is why maintaining orthodoxy is not a huge problem for Friends. The second is what we do about it on the rare occasions when spoken ministry is considered inappropriate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the first level, Friends in the unprogrammed trandition are a noncredal religion. "Orthodoxy" of belief is not what we are about. Some religions define themselves primarily by a clear set of beliefs. If you are Roman Catholic, then you are supposed to believe the statements of the Apostles Creed, for example. But belief, per se, is not what makes a Quaker a Quaker. It's not that we don't have beliefs, but that we don't put them at the center of what we are. Our beliefs have to do with the idea that God is alive and present among us and continues to reveal godself to those who have ears to hear, and that seeking that personal encounter, following that continuing revelation, both individually and as a community, is central. So we are Friends because we participate faithfully in a community that supports and encourages (and yes, sometimes lovingly rebukes) one another in our efforts to know God here and now, and to be guided in daily life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A British Quaker and sociologist, Ben P. Dandelion, has written much more eloquently than I can about the value of "uncertainty" to Friends in an article for the &lt;em&gt;London Times&lt;/em&gt;. See:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6206864.ece" target="_blank"&gt;www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6206864.ece&lt;/a&gt;. What Ben writes is an interpretation of how we approach our faith, but I believe it is a very good interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What about the second level of your question -- what do we do when spoken ministry is clearly inappropriate? I found myself balking at the word "spontaneous," not that it is inaccurate, but it is too easily understood as impulsive. At its best, our spoken ministry in worship is &lt;em&gt;present tense&lt;/em&gt;, not prepared or intended in advance. But before we speak we are expected to test our discernment of that ministry, to confirm to the best of our imperfect abilities that it comes from a deeper Source than our own active thoughts or imaginations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And since we assume that everyone who speaks is in the process of "maturing" in the ministry, we expect and are comfortable with a wide range of messages -- some articulate, some stumbling; some emerging from years of "seasoning," some raw and unrefined. We do not expect to be taught by, spiritually moved, or to agree with all the messages we hear, knowing that some may not have been inspired for our own needs but for others in the room. But we try to listen for any spark of truth that may serve us, even in messages we essentially disagree with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only rarely is does a person speak in a way that is truly a problem for the meeting. If it is simply a case of not understanding our approach to ministry, we can be very patient. Sometimes, in extreme such cases, there is a mental health problem involved, and a person becomes a regular disruption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every meeting has a way of taking responsibility for the quality of worship. In most meetings, that responsibility is assigned to a committee. In the U.S. we generally call it the "committee on worship and ministry," or "ministry and counsel." Members of this committee may spend time with a person, speak to them, encourage them in one way, gently steer them in another. Only rarely -- usually in mental health situations -- is a problem severe enough that members of the committee will actually interrupt a speaker or ask the person to come with them out of the room. I have seen this happen only a handful of times in my life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope this answers your questions. Peace to you,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chel Avery &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-5091545240715332369?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/5091545240715332369/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/spontaneous-worship-and-problem-of.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/5091545240715332369'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/5091545240715332369'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/11/spontaneous-worship-and-problem-of.html' title='&quot;Spontaneous Worship&quot; and the Problem of Orthodoxy'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SvsgBRA114I/AAAAAAAAACE/DkdvWgaf45Q/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-1351753693482764443</id><published>2009-10-22T09:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-22T10:00:11.575-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='meeting for business'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='outreach'/><title type='text'>A Report from Our Participant Oberserver - No. 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SuCFJjQy9eI/AAAAAAAAAB0/MSOvSvHSWeE/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5395458752720860642" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SuCFJjQy9eI/AAAAAAAAAB0/MSOvSvHSWeE/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;Q &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I hear that you're doing your Drexel coop placement with Quakers? What did you think you were getting yourself into? And what is it really like?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Author's note: this is the first of what will hopefully turn into a recurring series of comments about my experiences at the Quaker Information Center. I invite you to read on and see the perspective of a non-Quaker trying to understand Quakers. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In September of 2009, I accepted and started at a coop internship position with the Quaker Information Center in Philadelphia. To be honest, I really had no idea what I was getting into. Being raised by Catholics and having spent my life before college in Catholic schools, I had never really come across any Quakers. The closest connection to Quakers that I was aware of in my life was that of my Congressman, Rush Holt, from my home in New Jersey. And since I do not actually see Congressman Holt on a day-to-day basis, I do not really know if that counts as anything. So, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Now, I honestly was prepared for anything going into my interview. I was half expecting that I would run into a carbon-copy of the Quaker Oats Man as my interviewer. I also expected see the Quaker values that I knew of, pacifism and plainness, being expressed to an almost cartoonish level between the current staff. However, this could not be further from the truth. My boss, Chel, is one of the most down to earth people that I ever worked for, and the other staff members are quite friendly and also, quite normal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another big surprise from working with Chel is that I was able to start up some rather large projects fairly early on with complete independence. The first two projects I was able to work on completely on my own were the creation of a QIC Twitter, which was fairly easy to do, but also required me to sell it to Chel, and the creation of an Excel-based inventory tracking sheet. With that second project, not only was I given complete autonomy, but I also became the “teacher” in a way, as I am the one in the office who has the most experience using Excel. Chel also was more than willing to let me be the lead on projects that I do not think I would have been able to lead had I worked at another place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;What I consider to be the most interesting experience of my time here so far was when I was able to attend a committee meeting early on a Monday morning in late September. Chel had prepared me for this meeting by telling me that Quakers never vote on an issue so I was quite confused as to how decisions were made. Needless to say, the meeting actually went quite well. I was shocked at not only how much got done, but also by how organized everything was. Unlike most similar meetings I’ve been to, no one was shouting over the crowd, and no one was cutting people off as they spoke. Also, because there was no voting, the committee actually got more done as issues were discussed and debated, in a calm and orderly fashion, until the group reached a consensus. After watching this process work successfully, I can honestly say that in my opinion, it works better than voting as committees that use a voting procedure will only call a vote when they have enough votes to pass a measure rather than agreement. Those rules of voting can alienate people, and that’s something the Quakers avoid. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, in short, I have learned a lot in my first four weeks here, and hopefully I will continue to do so as time goes on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best regards,&lt;br /&gt;Matt &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-1351753693482764443?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/1351753693482764443/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/10/report-from-our-participant-oberserver.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/1351753693482764443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/1351753693482764443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/10/report-from-our-participant-oberserver.html' title='A Report from Our Participant Oberserver - No. 1'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SuCFJjQy9eI/AAAAAAAAAB0/MSOvSvHSWeE/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-1575907331391099824</id><published>2009-10-08T11:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-13T09:47:18.902-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='art'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='music'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>What Is It about Quakers and Music?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Ss5Fh2-NCpI/AAAAAAAAABk/MeZIo12sN4A/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5390322252003478162" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Ss5Fh2-NCpI/AAAAAAAAABk/MeZIo12sN4A/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,51,255)"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,102,204);font-size:180%;" &gt;Q&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Please explain -- what is the deal about Quakers and music? Is it true that music is considered sinful? Why? If music is bad, how do you explain the video “Dance Party Erupts at Quaker Meeting for Worship” at &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XlMkK4_kTg"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XlMkK4_kTg&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,102,204);font-size:180%;" &gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What IS the deal about Quakers and music? This relationship has been a challenge. For programmed Friends (mostly in the midwest and western states), whose traditions since the 1800s have included pastors and prepared liturgies,[see comments re this word--ed.] hymn singing is regularly included in the service. For Friends whose tradition is “open” worship [see below], music is not part of the traditional practice, although some meetings (congregations) have introduced a custom of singing before or after worship. At times in open worship individuals may offer ministry in the form of song, and may even welcome others to sing with them. My meeting –- one of a handful I know –- ends with the singing of a particular hymn, &lt;em&gt;As We Leave this Friendly Place&lt;/em&gt;, which was developed as a closing hymn during the 1900s. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[NOTE: “Open worship” begins in silence and has no prepared format and no appointed clergy. Friends wait expectantly in stillness for the presence of the Divine Light, and offer messages to other worshipers when led by the Spirit to do so. It is also called “unprogrammed” or “silent” worship. For more information on the programmed and unprogrammed branches of Quakerism, see &lt;a href="http://www.quakerinfo.org/quakerism/Branches.html"&gt;www.quakerinfo.org/quakerism/Branches.html&lt;/a&gt;. –ed.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.quakerbooks.org/worship_in_song_clothbound.php"&gt;Worship in Song&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is a Friends hymnal developed through &lt;a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/"&gt;Friends General Conference&lt;/a&gt;. FGC has served unprogrammed Friends since the late 1800s, and music has always had a place in the social events it sponsors. &lt;em&gt;Worship In Song&lt;/em&gt; was created to be used for group singing and for personal devotional use, because the practice of group singing in open worship is not established--yet many Friends love to sing!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Friends have not generally described music as being “sinful.” Yet our actions can give that impression, as wonderfully portrayed in the movie &lt;em&gt;Friendly Persuasion&lt;/em&gt;. In that movie, the family tries to keep secret from the Quaker elders that they have a musical instrument hidden in their attic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Early feelings about music arise in the writings of George Fox, a founding Quaker and journal writer from the 1600s. His journal notes –- with no particular animus –- the music that his wife and stepdaughters regularly played. He writes that at a particularly hard time in prison, he “sang,” presumably in prayer. In another place he strongly condemns the sound of psalm-singing. His condemnation of street music and his warnings about the power of music are timeless. I assume that early Friends paid a lot of attention to these strong messages. Music in the church was a likely target for early Friends in their general critique of the Church -– which they were trying to change. In that early time of establishing Friends traditions and ministry, music became for some an element to sharply dismiss. I am grateful we are moving on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The concern about music has focused mostly on two assumptions: music is a power that raises emotions in ways not conducive to worship; and congregational singing as part of liturgy does not have a place in open Quaker worship. As a Friend in the unprogrammed tradition and as a “singing Quaker,” I’ve long held a conviction that these two assumptions, based on early Quaker writings and practice, were not the whole story, and there are many “singing Quakers” who share my unease with our long, silent dismissal of the value of music for Friends in worship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find music very conducive to worship. I have been opened by music that I’ve heard sung both in and out of worship, and in worship have sometimes sung myself. Music connects us to each other and to Spirit by an invisible thread. Hymn singing before worship helps me to “center down” and helps me be more in tune and open to the Spirit, rather than to distractions. I am not alone in this experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is, then, with joy that many Friends have viewed the video from Jon Watts that you linked to your question. It is edgy, particularly for unprogrammed Friends, because it is rhythmic, even including dance. It reminds me of the revival tent in its energy, something that pastoral Friends may relate to as part of their tradition. But in this case it comes out of Friends’ other tradition of open (nonliturgical) worship, and many Friends in this tradition are responding with enthusiasm. Jon’s lyrics express his experience, his life in connection with his faith. The video opens up a possibility for a kind of message we do not often hear -- either musically or in words -- in open worship. Does the performance engage emotions in ways that block experience of God or Spirit? Is it self serving? These are questions we can keep in mind as we respond to the message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are some Quakers who may dismiss Jon's ministry. There are some who still feel the weight of our old assumptions about music. If we are true to our tradition, we will engage with Jon’s ministry and listen to him. Through that experience of engagement we may learn more of God's truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Joan Broadfield&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-1575907331391099824?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/1575907331391099824/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-it-about-quakers-and-music.html#comment-form' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/1575907331391099824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/1575907331391099824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-is-it-about-quakers-and-music.html' title='What Is It about Quakers and Music?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Ss5Fh2-NCpI/AAAAAAAAABk/MeZIo12sN4A/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-7636148117793228672</id><published>2009-09-24T11:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-25T07:06:46.101-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discernment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='labor unions'/><title type='text'>Is There a Quaker Objection to Labor Unions?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SrvKnDmgF2I/AAAAAAAAABU/0865oU5CtAo/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; width: 286px; float: right; height: 113px;" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5385120551782061922" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SrvKnDmgF2I/AAAAAAAAABU/0865oU5CtAo/s320/logo1.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 204);font-family:arial;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;I was wondering if you could answer a question about your religion for me. There is an employee at work that said that she cannot join the union because she is a Quaker. Can you please help me understand why that is?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the clarification&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;An Interested Co-worker&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 204);font-family:arial;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I have been thinking about your question for a couple of days, and in fact I had a vigorous conversation with my husband about it, in which we did not see eye to eye. My reply will be lengthy and not very conclusive, but I will do my best.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;When a Quaker says, "My religion does not allow me to do X," it is different from when a Baptist says, "My religion does not allow me to dance," or a Muslim says, "My religion does not allow me to drink alcohol." Quakerism does not come with a list of things that you are not allowed to do. Even certan practices that are common among Friends -- such as not taking judicial oaths or not serving in the military -- are still considered matters of individual conscience as guided by the Holy Spirit, and each Friend is expected to discern how he or she is being called, and then to test that discernment in worship and with the community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The decision whether to join a union is one of the areas where Friends have found themselves called very differently from each other. I have known Quaker union members, and I know that at least one Friends organization is unionized. Friends who find themselves led to stay clear of union membership for religious reasons would probably give many different explanations for their choices. These explanations would be likely to refer to one or more of the "testimonies" that are frequently evident in Friends' efforts to live faithfully. There is no official list of testimonies, but typical principles described include: peace, simplicity, equality, integrity, and community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In trying to imagine possible explanations that your co-worker might give, I have come up with several possibilities:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Some Friends interpret our commitment to peace and nonviolence to mean that they should never exert physical, economic, or other kinds of force to influence the wills of others. Only persuasion, witness, and prayer are acceptable routes to "get their way." If your co-worker has this perspective, then she would probably feel unwilling to strike or to use a threat of a strike in negotiation processes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I have never been part of a union myself, although my grandmother was a labor organizer and I retain much of the "pro-union" attitude that was instilled in me in childhood. Nevertheless, at one time, I applied for a job in an organization that was unionized, and if I had ended up working there, I would have been required to make a decision about whether to join myself. Even though I do not personally adhere to the strict definition of nonviolence described in the paragraph above, I felt that to be part of an organization based on the principle of exerting "our interests and power" against "their interests and power" would encourage an attitude of opposition, and I found myself very uneasy about it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I have a friend who is a Teamster. His conscience troubled him after he was recruited to become a shop steward and discovered himself in the role of always being expected to defend the worker, whether or not he agreed with the worker's grievance, or whether he thought the worker was right or wrong in a dispute. His mentors in the union advised him that yes, he sometimes had to go to bat for people who were abusing the system, but it was a necessary part of maintaining the union's ability to protect workers when they &lt;strong&gt;did&lt;/strong&gt; deserve it. The mentors were probably right, but their assurance that it was "necessary" did not entirely give my friend peace. In his situation, I expect my religion would not "allow" me to accept a role in which I had doubts about my own honesty in specific instances. I would lose too much sleep. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I do not mean to suggest that any of these examples explains your co-worker's problem about joining the union -- only she can articulate her religious reasons. The same testimonies (e.g., peace, integrity) that can guide one Quaker to make a particular decision might guide other Friends to make very different decisions. And such reasons are not always explainable. Sometimes Friends weigh decisions for months, years, or decades because they feel a heaviness within or a spiritual stop that they cannot define, and they will not go forward until their hearts and minds are clear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The requirement for Friends is not that we all choose the same responses, but that we have a tender conscience, that we seek guidance from the Light Within, and that we adhere to that guidance to the best of our ability.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Peace to you,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-7636148117793228672?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/7636148117793228672/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-there-quaker-objection-to-labor.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/7636148117793228672'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/7636148117793228672'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-there-quaker-objection-to-labor.html' title='Is There a Quaker Objection to Labor Unions?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SrvKnDmgF2I/AAAAAAAAABU/0865oU5CtAo/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-688229042622079426</id><published>2009-09-09T12:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-14T10:57:39.174-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='truth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='integrity'/><title type='text'>Do Friends Lie for the Greater Good?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sq51dgFgAkI/AAAAAAAAABM/Ueev5k0UtvY/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5381367754443981378" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sq51dgFgAkI/AAAAAAAAABM/Ueev5k0UtvY/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;How would a Quaker respond to a moral situation which goes something like this: &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;It's 1945, Holland, and a German SS trooper knocks on my door and asks if there are any Jews in this household, and in fact a Jew is hiding in the house. One course of action would be to say YES, and away that person goes to the fate that was the plight of Jews. Another course of action would be to say NO. Now that would not be the truth, but the &lt;a href="http://www.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/phil%20115/doubleEffect.htm"&gt;moral principle of double effect &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;would say that the greater good was served by not telling the truth, and this would be morally acceptable. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;My friend says Quaker teaching has a ready answer for this situation. When an escaped slave was hidden in the house and a bounty hunter came, the householder would say, "there are no slaves here," since they didn't believe that anyone should be a slave, and so morally ther were no slaves, so it wasn't really a lie. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Don't Quakers have a better answer for my question? I have to believe that such questions have been posed many times and that Friends have a position.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thank you,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;RJK &lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"&gt;[This letter has been abbreviated and clarified.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Dear RJK&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;You are correct, versions of your question have been posed many times and there is -- well, I don't know if there is a "position," but Friends have advice for this and all morally challenging questions, which is to seek and follow the guidance of the Light Within. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The underground railroad story that you heard from your friend is told often among Quakers. Some Friends consider it to be an example of a satisfying solution to the moral dilemma, since the words spoken are literally true, at least according to the Friends' interpretation of them. For others, it is a disturbing example of sophistry, since the intent is still to deceive. For those in the second camp, that does not mean that the Quaker necessarily did the wrong thing by lying, but just that the Quaker should not pretend to himself/herself that it was not a lie or that it is OK to lie. Sometimes there are no good choices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In fact, there is a real-life example of a situation similar to the hypothetical one that you describe. It took place in France during World War II. Gordon Browne told how he learned of this story in a conference presentation that is included in the 1998 book &lt;em&gt;Friends and the Vietnam War&lt;/em&gt;, edited by Chuck Fager. I am quoting a passage from the book below.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;I had a conversation with two French Friends that haunts me yet. They had been helping escaping Jews. The local Gestapo chief had been fed by Quakers after WWI and gratefully sought out local Friends and tried to befriend them. On the day the order came to round up all Jews, he led a squad house to house, searching every room. At the Friends' house where there were at that time Jews in transit, he said to his squad, "We don't have to search here. These are Quakers. They don't lie." Then, turning to the Friends, he said, "Are there any Jews in your house?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Breathlessly, I said, "What did you say?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They looked astonished. "We said, 'no,' of course." Then seeing my expression, they said, "We felt a clear conscience was a luxury we could not afford at that time."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I, never tested as they had been, dared not speak, but the slippery slope of expediency and relativism stretched before me. Their terrible dilemma has remained with me ever since.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;This incident speaks to some of the complexities of the situation. The French Quakers were able to lie only because Friends have a reputation for never lying. If they had been caught out in this lie, that would spend the "truthfulness chit," and such a choice might never be possible again. The French Friends did not say, "We did the right thing, so our consciences are clear." Rather, they made the best choice they could under circumstances in which they acknowledged they were violating one of their principles and their consciences were troubled. And Gordon Browne's reaction -- how disturbed he was by the story -- testifies to not taking such steps lightly. Once you start lying for "the greater good," very many convenient falsehoods can be explained away as being "for the greater good." So we &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; lose sleep when we make such decisions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Another difficulty with the "greater good" principle is that we are not ever in a position really to know what that is. We can opt for the greater good as we see it and understand it, and often we do that because it is the best we can manage. But we do it knowing that our information is incomplete and our judgment is fallible. For example, if the French Quakers helped six Jews to escape that day, and later the Gestapo learned of it, they might return on another day when the Friends were concealing twelve Jews, and this time they would not accept the lie and would search the house.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;This is why we don't have prepared strategies or "positions" for such situations. The best we can do -- often in a fleeting moment -- is turn to the Light Within and try to follow in unity with it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Peace to you,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-688229042622079426?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/688229042622079426/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/09/do-friends-lie-for-greater-good.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/688229042622079426'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/688229042622079426'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/09/do-friends-lie-for-greater-good.html' title='Do Friends Lie for the Greater Good?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sq51dgFgAkI/AAAAAAAAABM/Ueev5k0UtvY/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-2866066306091789721</id><published>2009-08-26T08:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-31T07:31:36.416-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='meeting for business'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='decisions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spirituality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='discernment'/><title type='text'>Meeting for Business -- Why Is It the BEST Part of Being a Quaker?</title><content type='html'>&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 113px" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5374302545431939586" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SpVbsNfyygI/AAAAAAAAABE/LxTlQyyngso/s320/logo1.gif" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,255);font-size:180%;" &gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,102,204)"&gt;Q &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;I've heard it said that Business Meeting is one of the best, if not the best, aspects of a Monthly Meeting, and that most people connected with Quaker Meetings do not have an understanding of this. Are you familiar with this line of thinking? Do you agree? I'm one of those who think it might be true, but I'm at a loss when it comes to articulating this sense. Please address this issue. Thank you. &lt;/span&gt;Tina Hallidy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,51,255);font-size:180%;" &gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(102,102,204)"&gt;A &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Dear Tina,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I'm definitely one of those Friends who say that “meeting for business is the &lt;strong&gt;best&lt;/strong&gt; part of being a Quaker,” so I'll tell you my own thoughts on the matter. I should warn you, though, that five other Friends who make the same claim might give you five completely different reasons for explaining it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very often, I hear Friends say that meeting for worship is the essential core of what makes us Friends and of what sustains us as a community. Many Friends—including me—agree with that statement. But our ideas diverge about how we see business meeting fitting into that belief. Some Friends see meeting for business as a different kind of animal from meeting for worship, something ancillary or secondary to “real” worship. Others—myself among them—see meeting for worship for business as a special kind of meeting for worship, a deeper, more highly distilled worship that challenges us and requires us to fish or cut bait when it comes to the outward expression of the truths that we enjoy inwardly during worship. It is good to seek to know and follow God in worship. It is a harder but more rigorous kind of worship to seek to know and follow God while we are simultaneously deciding how to balance the budget or whether we must lay down the peace and concerns committee.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In meeting for business we are spiritually exercised. We have to decide when to insist on what we are sure is right, and when to submit to another's discernment; we have to be flexible yet strong, gentle yet plain speaking . . . and then, after our stumbling efforts, we have to walk out of the room and live with ourselves, each other, and the Spirit.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meeting for business is where it gets real. It's where we succeed or fail at practicing what we believe. It's where we work together or where we fall apart. And it's where we shoulder the load of our shared responsibilities as a covenant community. We all have an ideal image of how wonderful such a functioning community should be. Meeting for business is where we discover who we really are in the ways that we respond to the disappointment of being a mismatched team, pulling the yoke at different speeds, and not always in the same direction. In business meeting we are required to forgive, to be teachable, to care, to take responsibility—both in the large matters of principle and in the tediously mundane details of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like "regular worship," meeting for business can be deeply rewarding or frustrating, and most often it is a mixture of both. It feels great when we find ourselves being led by the Spirit as a whole community, when we find ourselves called to more creative and loving responses than we knew we were capable of, or when we look around the room in amazement and gratitude to be with such wise, bighearted, trustworthy servants of the Spirit. But let's face it, for every one of those really delicious moments, there are others where our desire to get some boring agenda item over with is thwarted by a discussion that just will not end, or when we are annoyed by other Friends' petty judgmentalism, their droning repetitions, their knee-jerk reactions, or their passive mannerliness. And just when we are about to offer a suggestive hint about the mote in their eye, we become aware of the beam that needs plucking from our own. &lt;em&gt;Can we hear and follow our Guide in these circumstances?&lt;/em&gt; And if not then, when?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been blessed to take part in meetings for business where long, divisive, complicated disputes were finally resolved after years of struggle. These were hard decisions to make, and the topics were painful to some of the participants. But the best spoken ministry I have ever heard, the words that have most deeply moved me and called me closer to God, were delivered during these wrenching discussions that forced us to go deep.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently in my own meeting, as we concluded a decision that addressed complex, competing needs from different groups, a member of our meeting said, “Let’s reflect on whether we are being clear about our limits, and whether we are also being generous.” After some reflection—and a little tweaking of our conclusions—this member remarked that we had just completed a piece of work we could not have done in the same way a year earlier. When asked to explain, she used herself as an example, noting how she had become more flexible and more willing to be open minded. Meeting for business not only offers us the opportunity for such growth, but it allows our increasing spiritual maturity an opportunity to be expressed and to be celebrated. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am one of those people who believe that you cannot be a Quaker alone. Silent worship by ourselves or with others is one way to encounter Truth—but outside of the context of a Friends community, it is too easy for Truth to be a solitary abstraction. It is in making decisions, in putting our limited resources to use, and in working together toward common and competing ends that we are called to make that Truth part of our lives on a minute-by-minute basis, not in ideal form, but in the reality of this flawed world filled with imperfect people such as ourselves. If being a Quaker is “real,” it is real in meeting for worship for business. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;With love to the presiding co-clerk from the recording co-clerk of Goshen Meeting,&lt;br /&gt;Chel&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-2866066306091789721?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/2866066306091789721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/meeting-for-business-is-it-best-part-of.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/2866066306091789721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/2866066306091789721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/meeting-for-business-is-it-best-part-of.html' title='Meeting for Business -- Why Is It the BEST Part of Being a Quaker?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SpVbsNfyygI/AAAAAAAAABE/LxTlQyyngso/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-3882883959923855218</id><published>2009-08-17T08:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-20T07:06:19.734-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='education'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simplicity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='schools'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Why no caps and gowns at Friends school graduation?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SoLkjC-Dx3I/AAAAAAAAAA0/HDv1UxthOVY/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5369104996522772338" style="margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; float: right; width: 286px; height: 113px;" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SoLkjC-Dx3I/AAAAAAAAAA0/HDv1UxthOVY/s320/logo1.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 255);font-family:arial;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am trying to find information/explanation on why Quaker school students do not wear caps and gowns to graduation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 51, 255);font-family:arial;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Dear [friend],&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Each Friends school is independent from every other Friends school. Each school community discerns for itself how to interpret Friends testimonies and traditions, so our schools do not all develop the same practices. I have attended a high school graduation at a Friends school where caps and gowns were worn, so I know it is not a uniform determination among all the schools to do without them. I can make some guesses that could explain why some Friends schools have not adopted caps and gowns for graduation, but the only truly accurate explanation for a particular school would have to come from the school itself.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;My first guess relates to the Friends testimony of simplicity, which has evolved from the historic tradition of plainness. Material simplicity has to do with not owning or using things that are unnecessary, including items of apparel that encourage pride of appearance or are dictated by changing fashions. Students, families, and teachers may feel that it is a frivolity, or a waste of resources, to spend money on ceremonial attire.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Another tradition that may explain such a practice goes back to the beginnings of the Quaker faith: rejection of ceremony, symbolism, and formal ritual. This is why Quakers do not perform outward sacraments (such as water baptism), and why you will not see symbols, such as crosses, in a Friends meeting house. Friends traditionally avoid the outward forms that may distract us from the inward experience those forms are meant to signify. So again, ceremonial attire may be seen as going against Quaker culture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;My final guess has to do with the emphasis on each person's uniqueness. When Quaker educators get together and discuss what our schools do have in common, one principle that invariably comes up is an emphasis on the special individuality of each student -- the importance of honoring each child's special gifts and appreciating differences. So it may simply be that the idea of having every student appear in identical costume goes against the values and spirit of the school's community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I am copying my response to Sarah Sweeney-Denham at the Friends Council on Education.  She may be able to add to or clarify  what I have suggested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Peace to you,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:Arial;" &gt;Sarah's comment:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:Arial;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:arial;" &gt;I agree with you. Of the reasons you explore, I believe the practice that some Friends schools have of not wearing cap and gowns is most strongly felt and linked with Friends schools' essential belief in that of God in each person, which leads to an appreciation for diversity and individuality, as well as celebrating that which connects us all. Many Friends schools design "Meetings for Graduation," giving every person in attendance (students, parents, grandparents, teachers) a chance to be part of the occasion, by speaking from the heart and spirit within. In some Friends schools each member of the graduating class makes a speech, further celebrating each student's perspective while also celebrating the group as a whole. These practices seem aligned with these ideas as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:arial;" &gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:arial;" &gt;Thanks for asking,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);font-family:arial;" &gt;Sarah Sweeney-Denham&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-3882883959923855218?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/3882883959923855218/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-no-caps-and-gowns-at-friends-school.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/3882883959923855218'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/3882883959923855218'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-no-caps-and-gowns-at-friends-school.html' title='Why no caps and gowns at Friends school graduation?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SoLkjC-Dx3I/AAAAAAAAAA0/HDv1UxthOVY/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-2547449034887481615</id><published>2009-08-03T07:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-05T11:26:42.352-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scripture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Do Quakers believe in the bible?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Snb4hZ3DLtI/AAAAAAAAAAs/i3YbTxf_oQ8/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5365749258819677906" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 113px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Snb4hZ3DLtI/AAAAAAAAAAs/i3YbTxf_oQ8/s320/logo1.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Do Quakers believe in the Bible?&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"&gt;(Received August 3, 2009, and many other times as well.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:180%;color:#6666cc;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Do Quakers believe in the bible? I guess the short answer is yes, but the Religious Society of Friends is a made up of several diverse branches with diverse memberships, and what one person means when she says “I believe in the bible” can be very different from what another person means by the same statement, and I don’t know whether either of them would be identical to what you mean when you ask that question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Generally, Friends believe that the people who wrote down the words in the bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and so the bible is evidence (if not a perfect record) of the Word. Friends have also believed historically, and a great many still believe, that God speaks to us directly through a deep connection that every person has with the Divine. Sometimes that connection is called the Inward Light or Christ Within or the Seed or many other names. Different branches of Friends place different emphasis on the authority of the bible versus the authority of direct revelation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In today’s mail I received the most recent edition of the magazine &lt;em&gt;Quaker Life&lt;/em&gt;, and this issue is entirely devoted to the topic “Friends and the Bible.” You can access a couple of the articles at: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.fum.org/QL/issues/0907/contents.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;http://www.fum.org/QL/issues/0907/contents.htm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are two different statements about the bible that come out of important documents from different branches of the Society of Friends (and which I am copying from the magazine I just mentioned):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Richmond Declaration of Faith:&lt;/em&gt; “It [is] the belief of the Society of Friends that the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament were given by inspiration of God; that, therefore, there can be no appeal from them to any other authority whatsoever.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;Baltimore Yearly Meeting Faith and Practice:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; Many differing attitudes toward the Bible can be found among Friends, but a few statements find general acceptance: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;In the experience of Friends, the Bible can be rightly understood only in the light of the Spirit which inspired it; the same Holy Spirit which is available to all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;Although the word of God can be found in the Bible, inspiration may also be found elsewhere. The closing of the canon of Scripture did not signal the end of Divine inspiration.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;color:#006600;"&gt;Any part, any verse of the Bible can best be understood in the light of the whole, so that care should be taken in the use of passages removed from their contexts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;color:#006600;"&gt;Detailed understanding of the Bible can be reached only through study of the times and circumstances of the writing, in the light of various commentaries and translations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I am afraid this response is both too long for your simple question, and way too short to capture a fair representation of the breadth of Friends’ relationship with scripture. I hope it is at least a little bit helpful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace to you,&lt;br /&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-2547449034887481615?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/2547449034887481615/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/do-quakers-believe-in-bible.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/2547449034887481615'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/2547449034887481615'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/08/do-quakers-believe-in-bible.html' title='Do Quakers believe in the bible?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Snb4hZ3DLtI/AAAAAAAAAAs/i3YbTxf_oQ8/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-6433305272989715612</id><published>2009-07-16T10:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-22T07:19:04.134-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='heretics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='colonial New England'/><title type='text'>The Witch of Blackbird Pond</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sl9m_TXx_sI/AAAAAAAAAAk/RzV4ENGuDTw/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5359115319311990466" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 113px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sl9m_TXx_sI/AAAAAAAAAAk/RzV4ENGuDTw/s320/logo1.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;My name is [VW]. I'm Argentinian. I teach English and I'm reading this book with my students called &lt;/em&gt;The Witch of Blackbird Pond&lt;em&gt; by Elizabeth George Speare, which is set in Connecticut in 1687. One of the characters is a Quaker who is disliked by the Puritan community. I'm trying to understand why Puritans disliked her so much. I've been reading a lot about Quakers, but I still don't fully understand why they didn't get along.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000099;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Quite simply, Connecticut considered Quakers heretics, and heretics were considered dangerous. Such people should be committed to prison or sent out of the country. Having a Quaker book was illegal. Anyone who would "unnecessarily fall into discourse with any such heretic" could be fined twenty shillings, a significant amount of money at that time. The fact that the Quaker character in this book, Hannah Tupper, was allowed to live in Connecticut would have been highly unusual. The persecution of Quakers was not as bad in New England as it had been in the 1650s. The description of Hannah Tupper and her husband as having been "branded, tied to a cart's tail, and flogged across the boundary" is an accurate description of what happened to some Quakers in Massachusetts. Four Quakers were hanged in Boston before the British government stepped in to lessen the severity of Massachusetts' anti-Quaker laws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why were Quakers considered heritics? The book gives some clues. Hannah Tupper doesn't believe in the outward sacraments-- Quakers considered the sacraments as a spiritual act [not an outward ritual], and did not take communion. Hannah also does not attend the established church at a time when it was illegal for any citizen of Connecticut not to do so. She was therefore fined for her non-attendance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Puritan founders of Massachusetts and Connecticut were certain that they were founding a Christian colony and had no qualms about outlawing "heretics" who would not conform to the established church. Those who did not comply were not only wrong about religion, but were considered subversive to the government. Quakers themselves could be disruptive, as early Quakers were quite willing to go into the established churches to debate with the local minister, though by the time of this book, Quakers had quieted down considerably from their early enthusiasm of the 1650s and 1660s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea of religious toleration made little sense to the early Puritans of Massachusetts and Connecticut. They were, in their own minds, convinced that they were correct. That toleration eventually came to the British American colonies owes something to dissenters such as the Quakers who were willing to suffer fines, imprisonment, flogging, banishment and sometimes death rather than give up or conceal their beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christopher Densmore &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-6433305272989715612?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/6433305272989715612/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/07/witch-of-blackbird-pond.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/6433305272989715612'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/6433305272989715612'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/07/witch-of-blackbird-pond.html' title='The Witch of Blackbird Pond'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/Sl9m_TXx_sI/AAAAAAAAAAk/RzV4ENGuDTw/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3764677342395107395.post-8980684682271495162</id><published>2009-07-01T09:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-01T10:13:53.910-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quakers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pacifism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nonviolence'/><title type='text'>What Kind of Commitment Does It Take To Be a Pacifist?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SkuJT-whF1I/AAAAAAAAAAc/JAZ308mYoOo/s1600-h/logo1.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5353523558416979794" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 286px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 113px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SkuJT-whF1I/AAAAAAAAAAc/JAZ308mYoOo/s320/logo1.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000099;"&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This question was forwarded to QIC from the American Friends Service Committee. The original letter is lost, but the gist of it was:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I am drawn to be a pacifist, but when I imagine someone threatening my life or the life of someone I love, and if I could protect them with violence, I believe I would do that. How do Friends manage to be pacifists? Do you have stories about pacifists in such situations?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#330000;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Dear [Friend],&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The American Friends Service Committee has forwarded your question to me at the Quaker Information Center for a response. I believe they hoped I might have a pamphlet perfectly suited to your questions that I could pop into an envelope and send you. But the question you ask is one of the hardest ones that any pacifist has to wrestle with. And the truth is, unless we get tested by the kind of situation you describe, none of us knows for sure what we will really do. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Friends and other pacifists know that the ideal we profess is one we may or may not be able to live up to in an extreme situation, and we can only do our best in the situations that life presents, taking them one at a time. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Quakers would also say that they can only achieve their pacifist principles with some kind of Divine assistance. George Fox (a founding Friend) wrote that when he was offered early prison release if he would accept a military commission, he “told them I lived in the virtue of that life and power that took away the occasion of all wars. . . .” We interpret that to mean that through his deep and receptive relationship with God, he had been transformed into a peaceful person – a state he might not have been able to achieve through his own mind and will. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many committed pacifists feel that it is a distraction to get into discussions about extreme hypothetical possibilities, such as “what would you do if a Nazi were about to roll a tank over your grandmother.” Life presents us with plenty of day-to-day challenges to deal with, and perhaps by learning to respond well to the mundane ones, we will make ourselves ready for the really hard ones, should they come to pass.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, now that I have tried to respond philosophically, I will say a few practical things. We are most likely to respond violently in a situation when two conditions exist: (a) we feel threatened – a danger makes us afraid for ourselves or someone else; and (b) we don’t have any other ideas for an effective response to the situation. Our culture does not do much to help us learn effective nonviolent responses to a threat, or even to put such thoughts into our imaginations. But through practice and through nonviolent-response training that different peace organizations sometimes offer, we can expand our options and also our confidence. And being confident helps reduce the feeling of being threatened. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the areas where the rubber meets the road is in street safety. I have read some material, much of it written for women, helping a person think about what she might do if attacked. Different individuals have different “standards” of pacifism: some may say that if they were in real danger, they might hurt their attacker, but not kill; some may decide that if killing were the only way to survive, it would be their last resort, but they would do it; some may decide it is OK to carry and use Mace, since it wears off; others may be unwilling even to cause physical pain or to forcefully overpower another at any level. We cannot really know in advance what we may do, but it makes a real difference to have given it enough thought to have an intention. In addition to violent response, there are techniques of communication, of distraction, of escape, and if you have thought about and practiced these methods, you will be less likely to feel that violence is your only option.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back in the 1970s, some New York Quakers started a program called the &lt;a href="http://www.avpinternational.org/index.html" target="_blank"&gt;Alternatives to Violence&lt;/a&gt; project for teaching nonviolence skills to prisoners in institutions. AVP is now an independent program with no official Quaker ties (although many Friends are involved), and it is used worldwide in prisons, in schools, and in communities. AVP’s language for nonviolence is “&lt;a href="http://www.avpinternational.org/principles.html" target="_blank"&gt;transforming power&lt;/a&gt;.” I am enclosing a page from their website that gives an idea of what they help people practice.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You asked for stories, and I went to our library to select some from books about nonviolent responses to oppression or danger – some written for children some for adults. A couple classic stories that you may have heard before are the Pearl Buck (true) account of the missionary’s wife in China whose home was sieged by raiders who were killing the foreigners. She met them at the door, invited them in for tea, and treated them as honored guests. They played with her children and left. Another classic has to do with Quaker settlers in the colonial frontier in the period leading up to the French and Indian wars. Unlike the other settlers, the Quakers left their latchstrings out and their muskets propped outside their houses. Indian raiders sometimes came into their homes and ate their food, but the Quakers were not harmed, unlike the other settlers who barricaded and defended themselves.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I am reluctant to offer up such stories as a defense of pacifism. They are wonderful for stimulating the imagination and suggesting a new way to think about certain situations. But there is something triumphant about them – the story survives because the pacifist response magically “works.” And while we would of course always hope for an outcome in which no one is harmed, pacifism is not magic. When a positive outcome happens, it “works” partly because the pacifists have made up their minds that they are prepared for it not to work, and they are taking the risk of being vulnerable to others and to engage with those others as fellow human beings – something it is very difficult to do with a weapon in your hand (or so I imagine).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope this response is helpful to you.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace to you,&lt;br /&gt;Chel Avery&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3764677342395107395-8980684682271495162?l=qqqqanda.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/feeds/8980684682271495162/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-kind-of-commitment-does-it-take-to_01.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/8980684682271495162'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3764677342395107395/posts/default/8980684682271495162'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://qqqqanda.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-kind-of-commitment-does-it-take-to_01.html' title='What Kind of Commitment Does It Take To Be a Pacifist?'/><author><name>www.quakerinfo.org</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09234019330691878885</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JKtlbAccR70/SkuJT-whF1I/AAAAAAAAAAc/JAZ308mYoOo/s72-c/logo1.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry></feed>
